10:43 a.m.
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#rdo: RDO packaging meeting (2015-07-15)
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Meeting started by apevec at 15:02:32 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (apevec, 15:02:44)
* liberty reviews (apevec, 15:04:35)
* ACTION: number80 to create tracker bug for openstack reviews
(apevec, 15:06:10)
* f23 has branched so Liberty work, can be imported to Fedora master
(apevec, 15:09:46)
* make a decision on
https://trello.com/c/wzdl1IlZ/52-openstack-in-fedora (apevec,
15:11:11)
* AGREED: F24 will not have openstack-* (apevec, 15:19:04)
* ACTION: retire openstack-* in Rawhide before EOY 2015 (apevec,
15:19:33)
* rpm packaging as an upstream project (apevec, 15:20:28)
* rpm-packaging upstream meetings
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging (apevec,
15:21:10)
* ACTION: number80 push an example of organization for rdo packaging
(number80, 15:25:52)
* open floor (apevec, 15:29:47)
Meeting ended at 15:34:49 UTC.
Action Items
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* number80 to create tracker bug for openstack reviews
* retire openstack-* in Rawhide before EOY 2015
* number80 push an example of organization for rdo packaging
Action Items, by person
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* number80
* number80 to create tracker bug for openstack reviews
* number80 push an example of organization for rdo packaging
* **UNASSIGNED**
* retire openstack-* in Rawhide before EOY 2015
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* mrunge (7)
* alphacc (6)
* rbowen (6)
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* derekh (3)
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* xaeth (1)
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3:37 p.m.
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On 07/15/2015 05:43 PM, Alan Pevec wrote:
* make a decision on
https://trello.com/c/wzdl1IlZ/52-openstack-in-fedora (apevec,
15:11:11) * AGREED: F24 will not have openstack-* (apevec,
15:19:04) * ACTION: retire openstack-* in Rawhide before EOY 2015
(apevec, 15:19:33)
I want to thank anyone who seriously considered dropping openstack-*
from Fedora dist-git completely.
I believe replacing point release based stable RDO repos with Delorean
stable repos is the right call too since it will make the process more
straight for new contributors, and there won't be any questions on why
a package added to Delorean is not available in RDO repos.
Well done, and I look forward to see it happen.
Ihar
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7:58 a.m.
2015-07-15 22:37 GMT+02:00 Ihar Hrachyshka <ihrachys(a)redhat.com>:
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On 07/15/2015 05:43 PM, Alan Pevec wrote:
> * make a decision on
> https://trello.com/c/wzdl1IlZ/52-openstack-in-fedora (apevec,
> 15:11:11) * AGREED: F24 will not have openstack-* (apevec,
> 15:19:04) * ACTION: retire openstack-* in Rawhide before EOY 2015
> (apevec, 15:19:33)
>
I want to thank anyone who seriously considered dropping openstack-*
from Fedora dist-git completely.
I believe replacing point release based stable RDO repos with Delorean
stable repos is the right call too since it will make the process more
straight for new contributors, and there won't be any questions on why
a package added to Delorean is not available in RDO repos.
We're still packaging python dependencies, oslo and *clients* in Fedora
repositories.
And we'll still do package reviews, though it's likely to be a simplified
and
more interactive process (bugzilla sucks for package reviews).
I still believe that delorean builds are not suitable for production
deployments.
As most of production is done on RHEL/CentOS, it makes sense to focus
our efforts on these platforms and switch to delorean-only builds for
Fedora.
Fedora's current model does not play well with OpenStack release schedule.
If they happen to allow layered products, it may change but it's unlikely
to happen
any sooner.
This is the best way to provide high-quality support on Fedora, as we'll
keep curating
delorean builds and stand with every commit done in stable branches and a
shorter delivery time.
H.
Well done, and I look forward to see it happen.
Ihar
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9:06 a.m.
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On 07/16/2015 02:58 PM, Haïkel wrote:
> We're still packaging python dependencies, oslo and *clients*
in
> Fedora repositories.
Sure. Meaning, we are still enforcing everyone who contributes e.g. a
neutron plugin to go thru Fedora review process and then maintain the
package there. It's not optimal.
> And we'll still do package reviews, though it's likely to be a
> simplified and more interactive process (bugzilla sucks for
> package reviews).
YES!
> I still believe that delorean builds are not suitable for
> production deployments.
Upstream does not agree with you: they are going to drop point
releases since Mitaka. Obviously, there should be some kind of
validation to add assurance it's not broken.
> As most of production is done on RHEL/CentOS, it makes sense to
> focus our efforts on these platforms and switch to delorean-only
> builds for Fedora. Fedora's current model does not play well with
> OpenStack release schedule. If they happen to allow layered
> products, it may change but it's unlikely to happen any sooner.
> This is the best way to provide high-quality support on Fedora,
> as we'll keep curating delorean builds and stand with every
> commit done in stable branches and a shorter delivery time.
All good. One point that I don't see addressed by you is ease of
contribution. It's my belief that enforcing contributors to pass new
package review process twice is hostile to new comers (and oldies who
need to explain that weirdness to the former).
Ihar
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