Interesting read, that's indeed a breakthrough. Usually, when you speak about unified packaging for distro, it's often made by upstream maintainers to simplify users life. But it's often inconsistent with packaging good pratices and with poor integration. Having downstream distros collaborating would fix that long-standing issue and gives us more weight upstream. Even trivial issue like configuration file location could be a pain to get it fixed upstream, as upstream maintainers may not get the point. Having I personally prefer having a single unified packaging project to deal with common issues and then have sub-teams for each family of distros. But unlike RDO, Debian/Ubuntu are a bit less advanced in their tooling, and they are eager to get started asap. That's maybe one of the reasons that we may get two packaging projects instead of a single one. I still hope it will happen, but I'd rather not force a change when we have conflicting priorities. Converging RDO/Suse packaging may be a little trickier than Debian/Ubuntu but still doable and both party are interested in collaborating.

On a positive note, we currently have a first external contribution to add debian package build in Delorean https://review.gerrithub.io/#/c/236233/2

On 12.6.2015 14:32, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Hey > > I started writing an email giving some context on the "upstream > packaging" conversation on openstack-dev, but the email started getting > very windy so I made it a blog post instead: > > https://blogs.gnome.org/markmc/2015/06/12/rdo-and-upstream-packaging/ > > Hope that helps. Would love any feedback. > > Thanks, > Mark. > > _______________________________________________ > Rdo-list mailing list > Rdo-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/rdo-list > > To unsubscribe: rdo-list-unsubscribe(a)redhat.com > Hey Mark, I agree with what you wrote and I also share your excitement about new and better way to package and collaborate we're paving. OpenStack is just too big and too fast for the usual downstream distro packaging processes which are slow for a reason (stability). So we need to find a new approach, something in between the fast moving OpenStack upstream and slow downstream distros. We're trying to do that with RDO but ideally, all the parts that are not specific to our targeted platforms should be moved upstream and everyone packaging OpenStack should be part of the same packaging community and ensure OpenStack is easy to package and consume. > To my mind, the goal here should be to encourage downstream packaging > teams to work closer to the upstream project, and have downstream > packaging teams collaborate more with upstream developers. To my mind, the goal here should be to encourage upstream developer teams to take packaging into serious consideration, and have upstream developer teams collaborate more with downstream packagers. Wordplays aside, it would be much easier if all the packagers were united across distros and voicing their common problems upstream. There aren't that many of us compared to devs, you know.