How is building on CentOS Stream better than building on Fedora? -- Pete On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:16:37 -0600 Wesley Hayutin <whayutin(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

Hi Pete, centos8 stream is preview of the next minor RHEL8 release and c9 stream will be next RHEL major preview We had RDO Trunk on Fedora in the past and it was not sustainable to maintain, it's basic principle to keep platform stable while developing. Cheers, Alan

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:31 PM Alan Pevec <apevec(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: This is the wrong way to look at it. You folks really suffered for not having a working Fedora build when it came time to actually shift to Python 3 for RHEL/CentOS 8. Because of this failure in your development process, you wound up having to take a whole year to fix everything, rather than having that work already done incrementally as things changed in Fedora. The truth of the matter is, since you folks didn't actively work in Fedora back when you *were* doing OpenStack on Fedora, you were always caught off-guard and unable to benefit from the effects of having the Fedora community involved in supporting many of the components that OpenStack relies on. And if someone brings up the release cycle, I'd just point out that they've been mostly aligned for a few years now, usually just slightly out of sync for Fedora GA releases by a couple of weeks for one of the releases each year. If you folks actually *wanted* to bring that into alignment with Fedora, I'm sure you could figure out a way to make that happen. And shipping RCs in Fedora GA and pushing final as post-GA update isn't all that bad either... -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

We did not see the benefit, instead we ended up with lots of new packages added by our team members. We still do keep OpenStack clients maintained in Fedora and that requires keeping lots deps up to date by us, see what all python-* ended up owned by openstack-sig group [1] Trouble with OpenStack services is that they integrate lots of system services, python3 was a minor part of RHEL7 to RHEL8 conversion, for TripleO I think most painful change was from docker to podman. Cheers, Alan [1] https://src.fedoraproject.org/group/openstack-sig