On 09/18/2015 03:49 PM, Perry Myers wrote:
 On 09/18/2015 03:35 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> One of the goals of the RDO Packstack Quickstart is to give people a
> successful and easy first-time experience deploying OpenStack, even if
> what they're left with (an --allinone deployment) might not be, strictly
> speaking, *useful* for much.
>
> Today on IRC I asked if we might possibly work towards a similar
> quickstart for RDO-Manager, where we make a bunch of assumptions and
> automate whatever parts of it we can, and end up with a "do these three
> steps" kind of thing, like the Packstack quickstart.
>
> I've included the transcript of the conversation below, but since IRC
> transcripts can be confusing after the fact, to summarize, slagle opined
> that it might be feasible to have two paths - the full-featured path
> that we currently have, but also something as I described above for your
> first time.
>
> I wanted to toss this out here for a larger audience to see whether this
> seems like a reasonable goal to pursue?
 +1
 I think it's critical to have something that's easy to work for _very_
 constrained use cases. But I also agree with the below sentiments that
 we need to properly document and enable folks to do more complex
 deployments after they've had their first success with the minimal
 deployment option
 One thing to consider in all of this is... what is the minimum
 deployment footprint? I think we have to assume virtual, since most
 folks won't have a lab with 6 nodes sitting around.
 A few options:
 a Undercloud on one VM, single overcloud controller on another VM,
    single compute node on another VM (using nested virt, or just plain
    emulation)
 b 2nd variation on the above would be to run the 3 node controller HA
    setup, which means 1 undercloud, 3 overcloud controllers + 1 compute
 The question is... what is the minimum amount of RAM that you can run an
 overcloud controller with?  4GB?  Or can that be squeezed to 2 or 3GB
 just for playing around purposes?
 What is the minimum amount of RAM you need for the undercloud node?
 If 4GB per VM, then a) maybe can be done on a 16GB system, while b)
 needs 32GB 
If we allow for "not very useful" as a stated caveat of the all-in-one, 
then we could probably get away with
3GB and swap for both overcloud VMs and 4GB for the undercloud.
It's possible to go lower for the undercloud if you have a lot of swap 
and are patient. It may lead to timeouts/broken-ness, so I wouldn't 
recommend it.
 If we could squeeze controller and undercloud nodes into 3GB each,
then
 it might be possible to run b) on a 16GB machine, opening up
 experimentation with RDO Manager in a real HA configuration to lots more
 people
 Perry
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