[Rdo-list] Juno vs Kilo in Fedora 22

Ihar Hrachyshka ihrachys at redhat.com
Mon Apr 13 13:27:56 UTC 2015

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On 04/13/2015 12:46 PM, Alan Pevec wrote:
> 2015-04-10 19:23 GMT+02:00 Matthias Runge <mrunge at redhat.com>:
>> Did we had an outcome of this?
> Status is that we missed F22 Beta freeze on Mar 31, now fesco
> freeze exception is required and Kilo import is still not completed
> in Rawhide. I'm also having second thoughts after thinking about
> Ihar's feedback last week on IRC where he questioned whether the
> price of maintaining openstack-* packages in stable Fedora is worth
> it when nobody is actually using them. Until proven otherwise,
> we're assuming typical OpenStack user on Fedora is interested in
> development and wants only latest packages, so CVE fixes and
> upstream stable point release updates are wasted. Production users
> are expected to run OpenStack on EL platform, which we provide
> through RDO.
> Instead of rushing Kilo into F22, I was thinking about the
> following model: (1) keep latest OpenStack release in Fedora
> Rawhide, starting from milestone2. Delorean stays RDO Trunk as a
> place for tracking changes on OpenStack master branch. (2)
> deprecate openstack-* in released Fedora to avoid maintenance 
> overhead for no use (3) provide Fedora Rawhide builds for current
> and previous Fedora in RDO repo e.g. Kilo would be available for
> F22 and F21 through RDO (4) document that for production EL
> platform is recommended
> We cannot retire packages in released Fedora, so I'm not sure
> about the process for (2). f20 branches should definitely be closed
> since Havana is EOL upstream and in RDO, so there will be no
> further updates.

If there are security bugs, we should have an ability to patch those.
So -1 to retiring branches.

I'm fine supporting those packages that are already released in
current releases (f20 and f21) while those releases are alive, if
that's a temporary transition thing.

> When I tried fedpkg retire in openstack-keystone f20 branch, 
> "dead.package" commit in dist-git worked[*] but then pkgdb step 
> failed. Ideally, we would push an "empty" update which would warn
> installed user base that they're running EOLed packages and should
> migrate to RDO but I'm not sure there's such mechanism in Fedora
> Bodhi. I'd appreciate any and all feedback on the above plan,
> please point out the holes it might have. If the plan makes sense,
> F22 would stay Juno and it would be irrelevant which OpenStack
> release ends up in Fedora >= 23.
> Cheers, Alan
> [*]
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/openstack-keystone.git/commit/?h=f20&id=2fdfdd6c8eac32334c2a5018fef196b041468979
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