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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:12 AM<br>
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<div class="PlainText">On 06/08/2016 07:05 PM, Ivan Chavero wrote:<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Alan Pevec" <apevec@redhat.com><br>
>> To: "Ivan Chavero" <ichavero@redhat.com><br>
>> Cc: "rdo-list" <rdo-list@redhat.com><br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 5:48:07 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [rdo-list] Packstack refactor and future ideas<br>
>><br>
>>> I don't agree with this, we can set the untested features as "experimental"<br>
>> or "unsupported"<br>
>><br>
>> Best is to remove them to make that clear, because no matter what<br>
>> deprecation warnings you put[*] people will keep using features until<br>
>> they're gone, giving us bug reports to take care of and without CI to<br>
>> verify fixes.<br>
>> It's long-term maintenance burden I am concerned about, for features<br>
>> which are clearly out of scope.<br>
> I understand this, my concern is that if we remove this feature we will leave<br>
> users with no tool for doing multinode in a lightweight way and this might<br>
> drive off users from testing/adopting RDO.<br>
<br>
I think it is starting to have the opposite effect. Packstack, being <br>
available, gives the wrong idea about RDO: you are supposed to install <br>
bare metal.<br>
<br>
The Tripleo Quickstart approach is that everything is in a VM.<br>
<br>
Sorry , if I am asking stupid question , but in meantime TripleO QuickStart<br>
configuration been generated on VIRTHOST is not persistent between cold<br>
reboots. As soon as I shutdown UNDERCLOUD VM (as stack) it's gone for ever.<br>
Packstack deployments on usual VMs driven by KVM/Libvirt are persistent <br>
between cold reboots. I don't have to start every morning from scratch<br>
Am I missing something in current TripleO QuickStart status ?<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
Boris.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Packstack is doing too much: image building, provision, and running the <br>
system.<br>
<br>
A better approach would be to have our tooling set out so that a user <br>
can build their own images, and then deploy to a VM. OR better yet, a <br>
container.<br>
<br>
<br>
We need to drive on to Kolla.<br>
<br>
<br>
Kolla as the Controller for Tripleo and Kolla running in a VM and Kolla <br>
running on my desktop should all be close enough to identical to avoid <br>
the fragmentation we have now.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> I'm willing to create CI tests for multinode Packstack in order to maintain<br>
> this features.<br>
><br>
> And believe me it would be easier for me just to drop this features but i really<br>
> think users are benefiting from this features.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Ivan<br>
><br>
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